tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35623128.post3329101898466661991..comments2023-07-03T07:26:04.780-04:00Comments on The Rejecter: Scams Upon ScamsThe Rejecterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09087643296072075641noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35623128.post-31759943111394965692007-10-31T07:59:00.000-04:002007-10-31T07:59:00.000-04:00Scam agents are almost as bad as spam agents who, ...Scam agents are almost as bad as spam agents who, otherwise legitimate, include spam in their rejection letters. Back in the day, I received rejection letters including advertising for their client's books. The worst was an agent pumping his own book. I was gratified to see it had a very low Amazon rank.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35623128.post-85512631789385276922007-10-21T21:08:00.000-04:002007-10-21T21:08:00.000-04:00I think it's also important to know that an outsid...I think it's also important to know that an outside editor is not actually necessary- I didn't use one and neither did any of my author friends. It isn't a replacement for learning to do revisions yourself - also it can be just as valuable to have beta reader feedback. Editors don't often agree where a story should go...It's not the shortcut or guarantee that many writers think it is. <BR/>I have a writer friend (unpublished) that I couldn't convince otherwise and although he spent a fair bit of money - is no closer than he was.<BR/>Many writers are confused between copyediting (spelling, grammar, punctuation) and editing for plot arc, clarity, "sellabilty" sentence structure etc.-<BR/>Regardless it's a tip-off if everyone tells you not to let an agent know you paid for editing or query writing services.<BR/>Agents want you to be able to do it yourself.ORIONhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01534064935115027523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35623128.post-4191259302853175312007-10-21T12:08:00.000-04:002007-10-21T12:08:00.000-04:00It can be so confusing to those who aren't really ...It can be so confusing to those who aren't really hooked into the writer-agent-editor connections and how that operates.writtenwyrddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02280711822302493122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35623128.post-10391208646859908072007-10-19T23:14:00.000-04:002007-10-19T23:14:00.000-04:00I've actually thought, half in jest, that we'd eve...I've actually thought, half in jest, that we'd eventually need some kind of agent to find us an agent. If agents only came about because editors were difficult to get, and now agents are just as difficult to get, it seems like the next natural progression. We could call this the Slush Pile Transference Effect.Jeff Draperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11950686688288213875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35623128.post-25097174639490656922007-10-19T19:48:00.000-04:002007-10-19T19:48:00.000-04:00The internet is simply stuffed with agents, write...The internet is simply stuffed with agents, writers and editors who can help a writer hone his or her craft without having to pay for it.<BR/><BR/>Still, it's amazing how many new writers walk wide-eyed into the publishing world and make the same mistakes over and over again.<BR/><BR/>It may seem futile sometimes, but it's not. Eventually, commons sense sinks in and we have another jewel to read and enjoy because somebody did it right.<BR/><BR/>Keep offering your great advice.Sandra Cormierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00231342310371529022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35623128.post-71696264542835811132007-10-19T17:47:00.000-04:002007-10-19T17:47:00.000-04:00Blasted scammers! Reminds me of Elisabeth von Hull...Blasted scammers! Reminds me of Elisabeth von Hullessem's record on SFWA's Writers Beware. What a freakish case...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35623128.post-77197562772670359972007-10-19T15:28:00.000-04:002007-10-19T15:28:00.000-04:00Great topic. I think it is easier to determine the...Great topic. I think it is easier to determine the good from the scam, but you have to stay dilligent. You can't let that guard slip. I'm just surprised they tried to scam a agent/agency. There's no shame is there?StephBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00610244860995931287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35623128.post-91371408017835482512007-10-19T14:03:00.000-04:002007-10-19T14:03:00.000-04:00Something like this just came up for me recently. ...Something like this just came up for me recently. I recommended a friend who writes non-fiction to another friend who is an agent (in fifteen years of friendship with the agent this is the first time I've ever done that, and only because I believed in the writer's work...and I probably won't do it again for another fifteen years). My agent friend passed on the project, which was fine, but my writer friend was disappointed and told me she wanted to hire one of those "intermediaries" to help her write a query letter (you have to understand this is a woman who is fairly well known on the talk show circuit in radio and TV, but hasn't had a book published yet: she has a platform and knows how to get good PR; just not how to go about the publishing process). I spent about three days helping her write a decent query (free!), and just yesterday she reported to me that she'd been asked to sign with an agency that has an excellent reputation and a good sales record.<BR/><BR/>Now, my point here is that while publishing only continues to become more competitive and frustrating for so many new writers, and not everyone has a friend in the business who can assist them in writing a decent query letter, I don't necessarily believe hiring a service for help and advice with a query is the worst thing in the world. Of course this friend of mine may have been able to write the query on her own, but I must admit that from what I saw as a rough draft of her version of a query I doubt any agent would have considered it (it was five pages long!). It all would have worked out for her in the end, I have no doubt, with or without my help, but I think my writing the query for her simply saved a great deal of time and trouble. <BR/><BR/>But more than that, I also told her NOT to mention the fact that I'd helped her write the query, for fear the agencies she queried wouldn't take her seriously. <BR/><BR/>I do not own and operate a query service or editorial service or anything of that nature. And I don't intend to either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35623128.post-22769657218596452722007-10-19T10:42:00.000-04:002007-10-19T10:42:00.000-04:00Rejector, thank you!!!-MSRejector, thank you!!!-MSEtiquette Bitchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15656611315466903464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35623128.post-59709872911818466022007-10-18T23:03:00.000-04:002007-10-18T23:03:00.000-04:00There's been a definite trend in the last couple o...There's been a definite trend in the last couple of years by folks claiming to be intermediaries who can find you an agent while claiming not to be literary agents themselves. I suspect this is because Writer Beware and P&E have made it tougher for them to pass themselves off as literary agents with our lists and recommendations against those who charge fees up front. P&E's response has been to continue treating them as agents under our rating criteria. :)Dave Kuzminskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09648935668653562022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35623128.post-29192379448225314062007-10-18T18:16:00.000-04:002007-10-18T18:16:00.000-04:00Gosh. Even agencies aren't exempt from that crud, ...Gosh. Even agencies aren't exempt from that crud, huh?Dwight's Writing Manifestohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11583719276706757556noreply@blogger.com